Jordan Roy-Byrne,
editor of The Daily Gold Premium says junior equities always start to
catch fire when gold breaks to new highs, but he is also looking at
silver. An interview with The Gold Report.
Author: Zig LamboPosted: Tuesday , 09 Oct 2012
VANCOUVER, BC (THE GOLD REPORT) -
The Gold Report: A lot has happened on the global economic and geopolitical fronts since we spoke last Spring. What's your appraisal of the affects of these developments on the precious metals markets?
Jordan Roy-Byrne: I believe the geopolitics is overplayed. Certain geopolitical events can have a short-term impact but by and large aren't a long-term driving force for precious metals. As far as the economy itself, up until this spring, the markets were essentially pricing in a mild recession globally. Europe was in recession and the emerging world was slowing down considerably. The U.S. situation is similar to Japan after its bust. We're in a flat-lining mode, which I believe will continue for another five to seven years.
I don't see any substantial economic growth, and at the same time I don't see any severe recessions on the horizon. To have a severe recession you need to have an expansion lasting for many years. The Great Recession of 2007/2008 cleansed the system. Granted, we're still not at the point where we can get back to consistent strong economic growth. It's going to take several more years to get to that point.
At the beginning of the crisis, governments financed deficits with huge amounts of short-term debt rather than with long-term instruments. A significant amount of that debt is coming due in the next several years. That's why we're having open-ended quantitative easing (QE) and why we will have permanent QE, given that the debt burden over the next couple of years is going to be substantially greater than it was in the last couple of years. The other point is that even though we have had a recovery, it has not been strong enough to bring down the debt burden, which has gotten worse and worse.
That's why I believe we're in a new cyclical bull market for precious metals that started in May. I'm looking for a little correction/pullback in October. After that, the market could be in position to retest its highs sometime this winter.
TGR: Historically, October can be a scary month in the markets and it is just ahead of the U.S. election. Care to make any short-term predictions for what will happen between now and the end of the year?
JR-B: I think the markets will do what they're going to do. They don't really respond to political events. Markets are forward-looking and lead everything. I don't see something coming out of nowhere and most markets are performing fairly well. October is probably just going to be a pullback, and it's possible the S&P 500 can have a significant pullback. I'm more focused on precious metals, which have been following the seasonality to a T in the last couple of months. Typically, this seasonality calls for weakness in October.
The market is ready for a correction anyway, and the typical October seasonality adds more credence to that argument.
TGR: You just got back from the big Toronto investment conference. What was the general sentiment there?
JR-B: There was a good turnout at the show and I think people are more optimistic. The general sentiment has improved regarding the markets and precious metals specifically. Just speaking anecdotally, the average retail investor I spoke with was definitely interested in the precious metals story but still not ready to be fully onboard. I think that's a good thing from a contrarian point of view.
TGR: You approach the markets from a technical standpoint, probably more so than most of the people we talk to at The Gold Report. What do you see from a technical standpoint on the precious metals at this point?
JR-B: I look at the charts, sentiment indicators and money flows. So, it's a much broader study than people think. Then you have to align that with the fundamental picture.
However, the technicals always lead fundamentals. We saw that in the last couple of months when the markets completed a bottom and then started to move up a little bit in anticipation of the actual QE announcement. I like to look at everything, but technical analysis is definitely my bread and butter.
Now, looking at gold, I had a short-term target of $1,800/ounce (oz), which was predictable because there were previous peaks there. It's consolidating below $1,800/oz with probably another three or four weeks of weakness before it can make an attempt at breaking through again. Over the next two to three months, I have an upside target of $1,900/oz, retesting the old high. After that, I have a potential six-to-nine month target of $2,250-2,300/oz. Once this market breaks $1,800/oz, it only has a little resistance at $1,900/oz to deal with.
I'm a little less keen on silver right now. I had a short-term target of $35-37/oz. Similar to how gold is pulling back at $1,800/oz, we see silver pulling back and consolidating around $35/oz. A good target for the next three months would probably be $40-42/oz. Assuming gold breaks $1,900/oz and $2,000/oz, that would indicate to me that silver is probably going to test $50/oz. So, those are the targets I'm looking at.
In regard to the equities, Market Vectors Gold Miners ETF (GDX:NYSEArca), the large-cap unhedged gold stock producers, peaked just below $56. I had a target of $58, so it didn't quite go as high as I expected. Again, it's consolidating here and I expect that to continue for probably another three weeks or so. Looking at upside targets over the next three or four months, there's strong resistance at $64. Assuming gold breaks above $1,900/oz, the NYSE Arca Gold BUGS Index (HUI:NYSEArca) and the Market Vectors Gold Miners ETF should break to new all-time highs, probably by the end of February.
TGR: Do you think that when gold breaks through $2,000/oz, everybody is going to finally decide it's going higher and pile into it?
JR-B: I think that's fair to say and that in the next leg higher, people will start to get a lot more excited. I also should point out that the junior equities always start to catch fire when gold breaks to a new high. One reason I expect this is that the rebound we've had in the last several months, both in the shares and in the metals, has come with very strong momentum.
When a market is bottoming and then starts to build momentum, that indicates that the internals are very strong and that the rebound is going to be sustainable in the near term. In the last couple of months, the momentum these shares and the metals have achieved has been very strong, which bodes very well for continued movement higher, likely after October.
TGR: Maybe we can talk a bit about the model portfolio you're running in your Daily Gold Premium newsletter. How's that performed since the beginning of the year?
JR-B: At this point, it is up 24% year-to-date. I use Market Vectors Junior Gold Miners ETF (GDXJ:NYSEArca) as my benchmark, which is essentially flat. So, we've been fortunate to have done quite well so far this year.
TGR: Back in the 1980s and 1990s, it seems that everybody and their uncle were in Nevada. Then companies decided to go south and everywhere else. Now it seems that I see more companies working on properties in Nevada again. Is that a trend you see?
JR-B: Definitely. I think it's a trend for several reasons. First of all, the higher prices are obviously making many formerly uneconomic deposits economic now. Also, Nevada is a safe and very easy place to do business.
TGR: That's an area we're going to be seeing a lot more companies returning to and turning some of these low-grade deals into profitable mines.
JR-B: You said it there. There are a lot of low-grade deposits in Nevada that may be only marginally economic at $1,500/oz or $1,600/oz gold, which are becoming very economic at $2,000/oz. That's where the extreme upside is now. So, that's an example of why I think Nevada is benefiting and why you'll see more people going there.
TGR: You said you weren't that hot on silver stocks, but there must be some you still like there.
JR-B: Up until recently I wasn't that hot on silver stocks. But, looking at where silver is now, we know that whenever gold goes up, silver goes up even more. So, actually I'm looking for more silver plays.
TGR: On the other side of the coin, it's been a real struggle for a lot of junior companies that have had trouble financing in this market. Is there hope for them or are there going to be a lot of casualties or forced property abandonments due to lack to funding, regardless of gold and silver prices. More>> In gold`s next leg up, people will start to get a lot more excited - Roy-Byrne - INDEPENDENT VIEWPOINT
